• The Disney+ price hike ha

    From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to All on Thursday, October 02, 2025 09:36:27
    As the topic recently came up here...

    Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2025 13:45:01 +0000

    Description:
    Disney+ confirms UK price hike just days after raising prices in the US, and all plans are affected.

    FULL STORY

    Days after we reported the latest Disney+ price hike for US customers , we
    can now confirm the change will affect those in the UK too.

    One of the best streaming services has announced price increases across every single subscription, including ad-free plans. This came into effect on September 30.

    It's been a turbulent time for Disney's streaming service as recently,
    Disney+, Hulu and ESPN suffered a major blow after millions of fans
    reportedly closed their accounts over the Jimmy Kimmel row.

    Link to news story: https://www.techradar.com/streaming/disney-plus/the-disney-price-hike-has-arri ved-in-the-uk-heres-how-your-subscription-will-be-affected

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Thursday, October 02, 2025 18:21:22
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Dumas Walker to All on Thu Oct 02 2025 09:36 am

    Description: Disney+ confirms UK price hike just days after raising
    prices in the US, and all plans are affected.

    FULL STORY

    Days after we reported the latest Disney+ price hike for US customers
    , we can now confirm the change will affect those in the UK too.

    One of the best streaming services has announced price increases
    across every single subscription, including ad-free plans. This came
    into effect on September 30.

    It's been a turbulent time for Disney's streaming service as
    recently, Disney+, Hulu and ESPN suffered a major blow after millions
    of fans reportedly closed their accounts over the Jimmy Kimmel row.


    i just think people have too many streaming services that they dont use.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Friday, October 03, 2025 07:23:11
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Thu Oct 02 2025 06:21 pm

    i just think people have too many streaming services that they dont use.
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    Sure, and not streaming services only. People is subscribed to too much stuff. I have heard there are agencies out there people is hiring to identify unused subscriptions so people can remove them. How crazy is that?

    I am not convinced subscriptons nowadays are cost-effective. When a Netflix plan was 7 bucks per month, it could be. Now it is more than twice that. For 14 bucks I can buy the series in used DVD packs which will last more than a month, and after I am done with it I still have it (as opposed to a subscription, in which once you are done with it you have nothing).

    Game subscriptions are situational, but they are going down the drain too. You could justify them somehow when you got to pay under 30 bucks per month and then hurry up and beat some game whose release price is above that. The issue is people is not doing that, people is trying to make the most out of the subscriptions and try to experience as many games as possible per month, which means they play a short while every game before they jump to the next. Compared to that, you can buy a full indie game such as BallisticNG and focus on it until you have 100% completed it, and by the time you are done with it, you will have spent 20 bucks for many months of fun, deep gameplay.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Friday, October 03, 2025 07:02:15
    Dumas Walker wrote to All <=-

    Days after we reported the latest Disney+ price hike for US customers ,
    we can now confirm the change will affect those in the UK too.

    One of the best streaming services has announced price increases across every single subscription, including ad-free plans. This came into
    effect on September 30.

    They've got to make up for all of those subscribers who cancelled their
    service, somehow...


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Friday, October 03, 2025 10:17:35
    It's been a turbulent time for Disney's streaming service as
    recently, Disney+, Hulu and ESPN suffered a major blow after millions
    of fans reportedly closed their accounts over the Jimmy Kimmel row.

    i just think people have too many streaming services that they dont use.

    That, too. "I am going to cancel my Disney+ because ABC cancelled
    Kimmel!!! (...and not because I am also not using it.)."

    I have been leary of streaming. There are a lot of shows on some of them
    that sound interesting but needing umpteen subscriptions just to watch them
    all would cost me a lot more than cable currently does.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Friday, October 03, 2025 10:17:35
    Sure, and not streaming services only. People is subscribed to too much stuff.
    I have heard there are agencies out there people is hiring to identify unused subscriptions so people can remove them. How crazy is that?

    They advertise those services often on US TV and on social media. I think one could do that for oneself for free just by looking closely at your credit card bills and/or bank statements each month. OTOH, with so many people going paperless, I wonder how many of them actually keep track of what charges
    are on the bills and statements each month.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Friday, October 03, 2025 15:04:36
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Fri Oct 03 2025 10:17 am

    I have been leary of streaming. There are a lot of shows on some of them that sound interesting but needing umpteen subscriptions just to watch them all would cost me a lot more than cable currently does.

    I feel the same way. And I don't even have cable TV service.. There are a few shows I like to watch that are broadcast over the air, and I have a way to DVR them so I can watch them later. And for other shows, I don't want to spend money subscribing to a bunch of streaming services for the various shows I like.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, October 03, 2025 21:24:40
    Re: Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Fri Oct 03 2025 07:02 am


    They've got to make up for all of those subscribers who cancelled
    their service, somehow...


    keep believing that fantasy story.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Friday, October 03, 2025 21:26:01
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Fri Oct 03 2025 10:17 am


    i just think people have too many streaming services that they dont
    use.

    That, too. "I am going to cancel my Disney+ because ABC cancelled
    Kimmel!!! (...and not because I am also not using it.)."

    I have been leary of streaming. There are a lot of shows on some
    of them that sound interesting but needing umpteen subscriptions
    just to watch them all would cost me a lot more than cable currently
    does.


    and then they will re subscribe when there's a show they want.
    it used to be that streaming got you out of the cable bullshit where you had to buy all these channels. now you have to buy several streaming services to see the popular shows. thats' why i download.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Friday, October 03, 2025 21:27:51
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Dumas Walker to ARELOR on Fri Oct 03 2025 10:17 am


    They advertise those services often on US TV and on social media.
    I think one could do that for oneself for free just by looking
    closely at your credit card bills and/or bank statements each month.
    OTOH, with so many people going paperless, I wonder how many of
    them actually keep track of what charges are on the bills and
    statements each month.



    dont underestimate how stupid people are.

    i know multiple people who paid a gym membership every month but only went once. i knew 2 people who paid for match.com memberships but they forgot about it and canceled it over a year later.
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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Arelor on Friday, October 03, 2025 21:49:48
    Hey Arelor!

    On Fri, 03 Oct 2025 07:23:10 -0500, you wrote:

    Game subscriptions are situational, but they are going down the drain
    too. You could justify them somehow when you got to pay under 30 bucks
    per month and then hurry up and beat some game whose release price is
    above that. The issue is people is not doing that, people is trying to
    make the most out of the subscriptions and try to experience as many
    games as possible per month, which means they play a short while every
    game before they jump to the next. Compared to that, you can buy a full indie game such as BallisticNG and focus on it until you have 100%
    completed it, and by the time you are done with it, you will have spent
    20 bucks for many months of fun, deep gameplay.

    I don't do subscriptions, but I feel the same way using Steam for most of my games. While you're buying the game, you can only actually play it on Steam. If you ever were to decide to leave Steam, there goes all of your games.

    With that said, I've played The Division 2 on and off for every bit of the 7 years it's been out. Incredible game, probably the best by far IMO, if you like looter/shooters. It's the only game I've always gone back to. I've played COD, Battlefield, etc... and while they have their own place for me, I get tired of them, and always go back to my go-tos. *shrug*

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, October 03, 2025 21:55:48
    Hey poindexter!

    On Fri, 03 Oct 2025 07:02:14 -0700, you wrote:

    One of the best streaming services has announced price increases
    across every single subscription, including ad-free plans. This
    came into effect on September 30.

    They've got to make up for all of those subscribers who cancelled their
    service, somehow...

    Soooo, you're siding with the multi-billion dollar company for raising their rates because of their own actions?

    Did you not just say recently that they were offering deals to get customers back? Are you backtracking? We as subscribers are allowing this by continuing to subscribe to their services WHILE they up our rates every year.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Saturday, October 04, 2025 03:53:45
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Fri Oct 03 2025 10:17 am

    It's been a turbulent time for Disney's streaming
    service as recently, Disney+, Hulu and ESPN suffered a major blow
    after millions of fans reportedly closed their accounts over the
    Jimmy Kimmel row.

    i just think people have too many streaming services that they dont
    use.

    That, too. "I am going to cancel my Disney+ because ABC cancelled
    Kimmel!!! (...and not because I am also not using it.)."

    I have been leary of streaming. There are a lot of shows on some
    of them that sound interesting but needing umpteen subscriptions
    just to watch them all would cost me a lot more than cable currently
    does.


    * SLMR 2.1a * It isn't "Freedom" if only the rich can afford it.


    also i wanted to add that when i was with my gf pookie our cable tv bill got out of control. the phone bill got out of control. it went from being managable to being way too high.

    i called customer support and they were done with doing the temporary 1 year credit with costs being lower.


    so i went with using ooma (phone service only using the cost for 911,etc)
    and using using slingtv. that lasted for a while but then the shows we wanted where on other networks. that's how they play the game.

    there's no way to win except going to the download/steal model of doing things.

    all the providers want to fuck customers over. by raising prices and
    removing content
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  • From Ron Lauzon@VERT/RICKSBBS to MRO on Saturday, October 04, 2025 08:35:00
    MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    dont underestimate how stupid people are.

    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. :)

    i know multiple people who paid a gym membership every month but only
    went once. i knew 2 people who paid for match.com memberships but they forgot about it and canceled it over a year later.

    That's what people do when times are good and they have plenty of money.

    And when times get bad and money gets tight, they look hard at what they are spending on.

    Right now, there are a good number of people who aren't getting paid to "protest" because the NGO money has dried up. Starbucks is closing. Minimum wage increases have forced many businesses to close, or automate. I could go on, but you get the idea.

    So now these people are looking at their 10 streaming subscriptions and saying "How much do I need these?" and getting mad because they can't get 1 or 2 subscriptions to get all the shows they want. So they cancel most, if not all, of them.

    In related news, I guess The Pirate Bay is getting more popular again.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Accession on Saturday, October 04, 2025 09:27:32
    Accession wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    They've got to make up for all of those subscribers who cancelled their
    service, somehow...

    Soooo, you're siding with the multi-billion dollar company for raising their rates because of their own actions?

    I left out the <sarcasm> tag. Hey, Bob Iger's gotta eat, too...

    Did you not just say recently that they were offering deals to get customers back? Are you backtracking? We as subscribers are allowing
    this by continuing to subscribe to their services WHILE they up our
    rates every year.

    I cancelled my Disney+ already. Since then, they've raised their prices, scheduled the cancellation of Hulu as a service, and continued as if
    nothing happened to change the sentiment of customers.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Saturday, October 04, 2025 09:27:32
    Dumas Walker wrote to ARELOR <=-

    They advertise those services often on US TV and on social media. I
    think one could do that for oneself for free just by looking closely at your credit card bills and/or bank statements each month. OTOH, with
    so many people going paperless, I wonder how many of them actually keep track of what charges are on the bills and statements each month.

    I like the idea of keeping *one* streaming service going at a time.
    rotate them around as needed since none of them are contract-based. We
    had Disney+, Netflix, Acorn and BritBox, just added another called MHZ
    Choice, and get Peacock and HBO through my phone provider. We donate to
    PBS and get their on demand service as a perk.

    We got rid of Disney+, Acorn, Britbox and MHZ CHoice are all similar,
    I'm going to start rotating one of those around, and Netflix is about to
    go. There hasn't been a lot that's excited me on there recently.






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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Saturday, October 04, 2025 10:20:05
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Fri Oct 03 2025 09:27 pm

    once. i knew 2 people who paid for match.com memberships but they forgot about it and canceled it over a year later.

    I don't know how people can forget about something like that. The charges would at least show up in your bank statements. And I thought people generally kept track of their money and spending and would be aware of stuff like that..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Accession on Saturday, October 04, 2025 10:22:51
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Accession to Arelor on Fri Oct 03 2025 09:49 pm

    I don't do subscriptions, but I feel the same way using Steam for most of my games. While you're buying the game, you can only actually play it on Steam. If you ever were to decide to leave Steam, there goes all of your games.

    What do you mean by "play it on Steam"? While you might need the Steam softwarwe to install it, anything I've bought on Steam has downloaded and installed on my PC and runs locally.

    Years ago, Steam had a way to let you make backups of your games so you could more easily re-install them later. One of the options would have it make CD-R or DVD-R images so you could burn your backups to optical discs, though I imagine most people probably aren't doing that anymore.. It looks like Steam still has a way to create a backup of a game though.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, October 04, 2025 16:38:03
    Re: Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 04 2025 09:27 am

    called MHZ Choice, and get Peacock and HBO through my phone provider.
    We donate to PBS and get their on demand service as a perk.

    We got rid of Disney+, Acorn, Britbox and MHZ CHoice are all similar,
    I'm going to start rotating one of those around, and Netflix is about
    to go. There hasn't been a lot that's excited me on there recently.



    whaaaaa? i thought you did it in protest for your buddy jimmy!
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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Saturday, October 04, 2025 20:55:14
    Hey Nightfox!

    On Sat, 04 Oct 2025 10:22:50 -0700, you wrote:

    What do you mean by "play it on Steam"? While you might need the Steam softwarwe to install it, anything I've bought on Steam has downloaded
    and installed on my PC and runs locally.

    Sure, it installs on your PC and runs locally, but you still need Steam to launch the game, right? At least that's been the case for every single game I "own" on there. You do not own a physical copy of the game you bought on Steam, you only own a digital download/copy. I'm also not so sure you actually "own" it any more, since you don't have an actual physical media copy, nor will they give you one. If you delete the game, you need Steam to download/install it again. If you setup a desktop link for said game, while you may not see it, it still uses Steam to launch the game. The same goes for any game purchased from any company - which is why there are so many stupid game launchers these days.

    Years ago, Steam had a way to let you make backups of your games so you could more easily re-install them later. One of the options would have
    it make CD-R or DVD-R images so you could burn your backups to optical discs, though I imagine most people probably aren't doing that anymore..
    It looks like Steam still has a way to create a backup of a game though.

    I doubt they have anything like that now. You buy the game through Steam as a digital download/copy, the only way you can play the game is through Steam. You might be able to launch it from another game launcher (Ubisoft, Origin, EA app, or similar), but it still launches through Steam, no matter what.

    The same goes for any other game you buy from any of the other companies. For example, I've been playing The Division 2 lately, which I originally bought from Ubisoft. The game requires their launcher to run the game. However, since I only keep one game launcher running in the background (Steam), I set it up so that I can launch the game from Steam. When I do that, it still loads up the Ubisoft launcher while the game is running, and then exits and closes the Ubisoft launcher when you exit the game.

    At the end of the day, I'd imagine there's probably even something in each one of those companies' launchers EULAs where they can take the game from your library at any time as they see fit. I doubt they would, unless you're actually doing something to cause harm or whatever, but IMO you don't "own" the game. Instead, you paid to play the game exclusively through their services.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Sunday, October 05, 2025 09:02:33
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 04 2025 03:53 am

    so i went with using ooma (phone service only using the cost for 911,etc) and using using slingtv. that lasted for a while but then the shows we wanted where on other networks. that's how they play the game.

    there's no way to win except going to the download/steal model of doing things.

    That's why I have no problem hoisting the jolly roger if there's something I want to watch that's not on one of the many services I already pay for.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Ron Lauzon on Sunday, October 05, 2025 09:06:06
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Ron Lauzon to MRO on Sat Oct 04 2025 08:35 am

    Right now, there are a good number of people who aren't getting paid to "protest" because the NGO money has dried up. Starbucks is closing. Minimum wage increases have forced many businesses to close, or automate. I could go on, but you get the idea.

    pfft, George Soros has been personally writing a check to me each week for years, just for arguing with people on BBSes.

    ...Hello, he lied.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sunday, October 05, 2025 09:36:53
    there's no way to win except going to the download/steal model of doing things.

    all the providers want to fuck customers over. by raising prices and removing content

    I have heard that complaint re: raising prices and removing content. That
    has made me even more leary of them.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Sunday, October 05, 2025 09:36:53
    I don't know how people can forget about something like that. The charges >would at least show up in your bank statements. And I thought people generally >kept track of their money and spending and would be aware of stuff like that..

    With as many ads that I see on TV for services that keep track of these
    things *for you*, I suspect that there must be quite a few people who do
    not keep track of such things on their own.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Sunday, October 05, 2025 22:15:12
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Sun Oct 05 2025 09:02 am

    That's why I have no problem hoisting the jolly roger if there's
    something I want to watch that's not on one of the many services
    I already pay for.


    i hope you arent using the pirate bay. that's low quality and
    has a bunch of bottom feeding companies collecting ip addresses.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sunday, October 05, 2025 22:25:43
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Oct 05 2025 09:36 am

    all the providers want to fuck customers over. by raising prices
    and removing content

    I have heard that complaint re: raising prices and removing content.
    That has made me even more leary of them.


    well i can understand why they remove content. it's too expensive to license everything forever. as a customer i would not like that, though.
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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Monday, October 06, 2025 12:49:35
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Sun Oct 05 2025 10:15 pm

    That's why I have no problem hoisting the jolly roger if there's something
    I want to watch that's not on one of the many services I already pay for.

    i hope you arent using the pirate bay. that's low quality and has a bunch of bottom feeding companies collecting ip addresses.

    Only as a last resort, and then I run deluge through a VPN.

    There was a conversation going on here last week about people who have tons of subscriptions to stuff. I'm the person that was aimed at.

    other than like 10 different streaming services (most niche, I like to support small creators and startups with unique material that I find enjoyable), I have subscriptions to Newsgroup services.

    I juggle them from time to time, cancelling ones I'm no longer using and adding new ones. I have forgotten about some, so I find things like Rocket Money (formerly Truebill) incrdibly useful.

    ...All's well that ends.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Accession on Thursday, October 09, 2025 01:46:37
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Sat Oct 04 2025 08:55 pm

    Sure, it installs on your PC and runs locally, but you still need Steam to launch the game, right? At least that's been the case for every single game I "own" on there. You do not own a physical copy of the game you

    I'm pretty sure you can run the game executable directly if you wanted to. At least, I've run several Steam games that way. Steam doesn't obfuscate the game's files. I thought Steam put a shortcut icon on your desktop for the games, too.. The launching from Steam is just a convenience, I thought. You can also add non-Steam games to your Steam menu so you can launch those from Steam if you want to. I added Minecraft to my Steam menu once, so that my Steam friends knew when I was playing Minecraft (since Steam lets your friends know what you're playing).

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Thursday, October 09, 2025 01:47:46
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sun Oct 05 2025 09:36 am

    I don't know how people can forget about something like that. The charges
    would at least show up in your bank statements. And I thought people
    generally kept track of their money and spending and would be aware of
    stuff like that..

    With as many ads that I see on TV for services that keep track of these things *for you*, I suspect that there must be quite a few people who do not keep track of such things on their own.

    Interesting.. I don't recall ever seeing ads for anything like that.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Thursday, October 09, 2025 11:00:25
    I don't know how people can forget about something like that. The
    harges
    would at least show up in your bank statements. And I thought people
    generally kept track of their money and spending and would be aware of
    stuff like that..

    With as many ads that I see on TV for services that keep track of these things *for you*, I suspect that there must be quite a few people who do not keep track of such things on their own.

    Interesting.. I don't recall ever seeing ads for anything like that.

    I don't see how. ;) They are everywhere. They are specifically ads for
    phone apps so maybe you are tuning them out. I see them here, on TV and
    during YT videos, about as often as the celebrity endorsements of those two "Royal" phone video games.

    IIRC, at least one of them is related to a financial or mortgage company...
    I am thinking that Rocket has one, and there are a few others.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Accession on Thursday, October 09, 2025 13:40:28
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Accession to Arelor on Fri Oct 03 2025 09:49 pm

    I don't do subscriptions, but I feel the same way using Steam for most of my games. While you're buying the game, you can only actually play it on Steam. If you ever were to decide to leave Steam, there goes all of your games.

    That is a related matter. While I agree that with a service like Steam you are mostly paying "something" in exchange of more or less "nothing", with Steam you have the potential to pay less "something" and get a bit of a better "nothing". I mean, if you buy (license) Steam games only when they are on discount you can get many games licensed for cheap.

    That said, even Gog has decent sales every now and then, in which case you are buying "something" instead of "nothing". And I don't think Zoom does sales, but their prices are so low to boot it makes no difference.

    These days it is extremely easy to build a library for insultingly low prices, which is one of the reasons why I say that serious gaming is in serious crisis. You could buy a mediocre gaming system and survive on freebies from Epic games, Gog and Steam only. Yeah, freebies usually suck, but if you get one each month that doesn't, you already have enough.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Thursday, October 09, 2025 13:58:54
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 04 2025 03:53 am

    so i went with using ooma (phone service only using the cost for 911,etc) and using using slingtv. that lasted for a while but then the shows we wanted where on other networks. that's how they play the game.

    there's no way to win except going to the download/steal model of doing things.


    You have reminded me of a video on which somebody complained that private equity was purchasing so many American cultural products it was becoming dangerous.

    One of the points he made was that it was becoming harder to have mass cultural references that connect people within a generation. When I was a kid there were 4 TV channels, the show offer was limited, so if they had anything good a given year you could be sure everybody in your classroom had watched it, or knew about it, and it was a potential common theme of conversation that helped tie the culture together.

    Fast forward to today, there is so much stuff and all of it is scattered. If you ask somebody about a recent thing you have watched it is becoming incresingly likely they are not connected to what you are talking about.

    The answer to this problem, ofcourse, was pirating everything to ensure things were widely available.

    Personally, I am not sure having the population absorved by the same set of shows is that good. I was the weird kid that didn't watch TV, therefore I found the fixation people had regarding certain shows... unhealthy. On the other hand, since I belonged to the 1% who was not watching those shows, I was automatically classified as a weird nerd everybody had to avoid. That kind of proves the point the guy was making, in that TV generated tribal bonds, but I am not sure it was that good.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Ron Lauzon on Thursday, October 09, 2025 14:00:51
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Ron Lauzon to MRO on Sat Oct 04 2025 08:35 am

    In related news, I guess The Pirate Bay is getting more popular again.


    I don't know, The Pirate Bay is kind of meh these days.

    Most people I know who are heavy pirates either use direct download sites, or private torrent trackers, or niche public trackers.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Thursday, October 09, 2025 14:05:00
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Nightfox to Accession on Sat Oct 04 2025 10:22 am


    Years ago, Steam had a way to let you make backups of your games so you could more easily re-install them later. One of the options would have it make CD-R or DVD-R images so you could burn your backups to optical discs, though I imagine most people probably aren't doing that anymore.. It looks like Steam still has a way to create a backup of a game though.


    As far as I know they don't give you an automated way to create a backup that can be operated independently of the Steam ecosystem. I mean, so many games depend on Steam network activation anyway. It is crackeable, you can bet no backup solution from Steam would break their DRM on purpose.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Thursday, October 09, 2025 14:08:46
    Re: Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Oct 04 2025 04:38 pm

    whaaaaa? i thought you did it in protest for your buddy jimmy!
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    The fun part is that Disney is a left-wing company. The idea lefties are dogpiling on them because they are not pure enough would be so fundamentaly wonkers. I kind of wish it was true, though.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Accession on Thursday, October 09, 2025 14:14:01
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Sat Oct 04 2025 08:55 pm

    The same goes for any other game you buy from any of the other companies.

    Well, Gog provides a launcher but you can absolutely use their games with no launcher at all, and they hand you, themselves, install files for you to perform offline installs with no activation or anything.

    Zoom-platform does something similar. I think Itch.io is DRM free for the time being too.


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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Thursday, October 09, 2025 18:10:20
    Hey Nightfox!

    On Thu, 09 Oct 2025 01:46:36 -0700, you wrote:

    I'm pretty sure you can run the game executable directly if you wanted
    to.

    Try it. Hell, try to find the actual game executable and original game directory structure, even (especially if you install to default Steam directories). It's so intertwined into Steams subdirectories

    At least, I've run several Steam games that way. Steam doesn't
    obfuscate the game's files. I thought Steam put a shortcut icon on your desktop for the games, too..

    It optionally can, yes. However, using said desktop icon still loads up Steam (same goes for any other launcher said games are tied to) to launch the game. There's even situations where, for example, you buy and install a game like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare III (2023). Your installation will also install Battle.net as well as run it when you launch the game, because that's the launcher/social crap that came with Call of Duty games at that time.

    The launching from Steam is just a convenience, I thought.

    I'm not so sure about that. I imagine there's probably some kind of exclusivity to where you can't just use any launcher for any game you want. If the launcher comes with the game, thay're going to make sure you can't bypass it, etc..

    You can also add non-Steam games to your Steam
    menu so you can launch those from Steam if you want to.

    When I run "The Division 2" from Steam, that launch actually points to:

    C:\Program Files (x86)\Ubisoft\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games\Tom Clancy's The Division 2\thedivision2launcher.exe

    When you add non-Steam games to your Steam library, you're still loading up the game's original launcher (in this case, Ubisoft launcher).

    I added Minecraft to my Steam menu once, so that my Steam friends knew
    when I was playing Minecraft (since Steam lets your friends know what you're playing).

    Yep, and I'd bet when you hit the "play" button, it still loads up the Minecraft Launcher. Same scenario I'm referring to.

    Either way, I don't think you can run the games you buy from a service like Steam or Ubisoft without the actual service you bought it from. Even if you were to find the actual executable, I'd guess it would still load the launcher that is originally tied to the game.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Arelor on Thursday, October 09, 2025 18:53:26
    Hey Arelor!

    On Thu, 09 Oct 2025 14:14:00 -0500, you wrote:

    The same goes for any other game you buy from any of the other
    companies.

    Well, Gog provides a launcher but you can absolutely use their games
    with no launcher at all, and they hand you, themselves, install files
    for you to perform offline installs with no activation or anything.

    Zoom-platform does something similar. I think Itch.io is DRM free for
    the time being too.

    Oh, nice. However, you'll never get that kind of trust from the big boys, though. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Friday, October 10, 2025 00:17:06
    Re: Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Arelor to MRO on Thu Oct 09 2025 02:08 pm

    The fun part is that Disney is a left-wing company. The idea lefties
    are dogpiling on them because they are not pure enough would be so fundamentaly wonkers. I kind of wish it


    i dont think disney is left wing. i just think it's an evil entity that wants to stay off the radar in regards to controversy.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Accession on Friday, October 10, 2025 20:27:09
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Accession to Arelor on Thu Oct 09 2025 06:53 pm

    Oh, nice. However, you'll never get that kind of trust from the big boys, though. ;)


    Big game publishers can choke on my dick for all I care. I rarely buy a game these days, and when I do it is always indie titles on sale.

    There are many games out there. Too many. Offer is enormous, it dwarfes demand. No reason at all to spend big money on gaming, specially if you don't get to buy the game but you only license it. It is not justifiable to pay 90 bucks to play the current iteration of Super Mario Kart when quality indie precision racers are bellow the 20 USD mark BEFORE discounts.

    The sort of stuff I consider buying always makes it out of Steam. It is the stuff that sucks or wants to abuse your good will that refuses to be anywhere else. No big loss. Again, offer is so big that becoming hostage to Steam is a conscious decision which is easily avoidable. People only does because they don't think much about it.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Friday, October 10, 2025 20:37:32
    Re: Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: MRO to Arelor on Fri Oct 10 2025 12:17 am


    i dont think disney is left wing. i just think it's an evil entity that wants to stay off the radar in regards to controversy.


    My parents were friends with some of the people involved in that Lion King Musical show which is so popular in Spain they are still playing it to this day.

    They never gave too many details but you could tell the power structures within the company were political motivated. In fact I think they were already priorizing sexual orientation hires much, much before it was fashionable or politically profitable at all.

    If Disney was a company trying to stay off the radar they would not make politically charged movies, specially those that play blame games.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Friday, October 10, 2025 21:43:31
    Re: Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Arelor to MRO on Fri Oct 10 2025 08:37 pm

    They never gave too many details but you could tell the power
    structures within the company were political motivated. In fact I
    think they were already priorizing sexual orientation hires much,
    much before it was fashionable or politically profitable at all.

    If Disney was a company trying to stay off the radar they would not

    disney is just trying to appear to be woke because that's what is expected
    and followed in the entertainment industry.

    have to have lots of jews and love the jews and be woke.

    replace as many characters with black or trans.
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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Arelor on Saturday, October 11, 2025 06:40:50
    Hey Arelor!

    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 20:27:08 -0500, you wrote:

    Big game publishers can choke on my dick for all I care. I rarely buy a
    game these days, and when I do it is always indie titles on sale.

    I guess I somewhat agree, but if I want a game, I'm going to get it. I used to pre-order, but now I wait until the first sale where they knock off about 20 bucks. But, kind of like you, I don't buy games nearly as often as I used to. I do still enjoy the Resident Evil series, some of the Tom Clancy games, and might grab Battlefield 6 whenever they have a sale on it. I won't pay full price for it, though (this coincides with me not caring to have the latest and greatest GPUs, also - as I don't need it and it would be a waste of money in my case - getting a GTX5090 to play the shit out of Minecraft and Fortnite is hilarious, but some people will do it).

    There are many games out there. Too many. Offer is enormous, it dwarfes demand. No reason at all to spend big money on gaming, specially if you don't get to buy the game but you only license it. It is not justifiable
    to pay 90 bucks to play the current iteration of Super Mario Kart when quality indie precision racers are bellow the 20 USD mark BEFORE
    discounts.

    The 90-100 dollar price tags they put on games these days is usually just the game itself, that includes some sort of season pass and maybe some extra gear. Absolutely not worth it, IMO, especially if you know you're not going to play the game throughout the entire "season" or year or whatever that pass is good for.

    The sort of stuff I consider buying always makes it out of Steam. It is
    the stuff that sucks or wants to abuse your good will that refuses to be anywhere else. No big loss. Again, offer is so big that becoming hostage
    to Steam is a conscious decision which is easily avoidable. People only
    does because they don't think much about it.

    PUBG and maybe even Counter Strike are great examples of not ripping people off and providing a quality game that peaked higher than any other game when it comes to player base. I believe they were released at $40, and stayed that way. Both games are 10+ years old now, still popular and going strong.

    When COD had 3+ active developing companies of the game, it was a bit better because each company had 3 years (they rotated) to create a new game. Now, I think it's only one or two that rehash the same shit every year.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Saturday, October 11, 2025 14:32:28
    Arelor wrote to Accession <=-

    There are many games out there. Too many. Offer is enormous, it dwarfes demand. No reason at all to spend big money on gaming, specially if you don't get to buy the game but you only license it. It is not
    justifiable to pay 90 bucks to play the current iteration of Super
    Mario Kart when quality indie precision racers are bellow the 20 USD
    mark BEFORE discounts.

    I think the big money is in-game purchases. I've played War Thunder
    since 2015 or so and when I look at the store history at how much I've
    spent on in-game coin to get a specific plane, I weep.

    Instead of grinding out to get to the higher levels, some people buy
    the premium planes when they come out. I swear, us thunder dogs pile up
    on the premium players when a new plane comes out. :)

    Although, lately, it's all top-tier planes as premiums.






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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Sunday, October 12, 2025 01:29:55
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Thu Oct 09 2025 11:00 am

    With as many ads that I see on TV for services that keep track of
    these things *for you*, I suspect that there must be quite a few

    Interesting.. I don't recall ever seeing ads for anything like that.

    I don't see how. ;) They are everywhere. They are specifically ads for phone apps so maybe you are tuning them out. I see them here, on TV and during YT videos, about as often as the celebrity endorsements of those two "Royal" phone video games.

    Where is "here"? Also, I have a paid YouTube subscription right now, so I don't see YouTube ads.. Also I don't use streaming services a whole lot; also haven't noticed ads for them on broadcast TV.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Accession on Sunday, October 12, 2025 01:38:32
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Thu Oct 09 2025 06:10 pm

    I'm pretty sure you can run the game executable directly if you wanted to.

    Try it. Hell, try to find the actual game executable and original game directory structure, even (especially if you install to default Steam directories). It's so intertwined into Steams subdirectories

    That's not hard to do.. The quickets way is to open your Steam library, right-click on one of the games you have installed, and select Manage > Browse Local Files. It opens a Windows Explorer window in the directory with the game, and the .exe and everything is right there. The game is in Steam Library\steamapps\common\<game name>.. Doesn't seem terribly complicated to me.

    At least, I've run several Steam games that way. Steam doesn't obfuscate
    the game's files. I thought Steam put a shortcut icon on your desktop for
    the games, too..

    It optionally can, yes. However, using said desktop icon still loads up Steam (same goes for any other launcher said games are tied to) to launch

    Looks like that's true.. I checked one of the shortcuts and it runs Steam with some kind of game ID.

    The launching from Steam is just a convenience, I thought.

    I'm not so sure about that. I imagine there's probably some kind of exclusivity to where you can't just use any launcher for any game you want. If the launcher comes with the game, thay're going to make sure you can't bypass it, etc..

    Either way, I don't think you can run the games you buy from a service like Steam or Ubisoft without the actual service you bought it from. Even if you were to find the actual executable, I'd guess it would still load the launcher that is originally tied to the game.

    I just ran one of my Steam games by directly running its .exe (after clicking Manage > Browse Local Files).

    It still seems to me like Steam is mainly a mechanism to buy games.. I'm not sure it does much (if any) obfuscation to prevent you from running them directly.

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Sunday, October 12, 2025 08:12:18
    Hey Nightfox!

    On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 01:38:32 -0700, you wrote:

    I just ran one of my Steam games by directly running its .exe (after clicking Manage > Browse Local Files).

    With Steam still running, I'm guessing.

    It still seems to me like Steam is mainly a mechanism to buy games..
    I'm not sure it does much (if any) obfuscation to prevent you from
    running them directly.

    Can you can shut down Steam (not even running in the background), and still run the game without it re-launching, or requiring Steam (or whatever other launcher/app the game is originally tied to) to be running?

    I just tried this with Resident Evil 4. Shut down steam, ran "re4.exe", Steam opened, and asked if I would allow Valve to access my computer.. and now Steam is again running in my background.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, October 12, 2025 11:04:07
    Re: Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sat Oct 11 2025 02:32 pm

    I think the big money is in-game purchases. I've played War Thunder
    since 2015 or so and when I look at the store history at how much I've
    spent on in-game coin to get a specific plane, I weep.

    Instead of grinding out to get to the higher levels, some people buy
    the premium planes when they come out. I swear, us thunder dogs pile up
    on the premium players when a new plane comes out. :)

    Although, lately, it's all top-tier planes as premiums.


    Oh yeah, the mobile-like business model actually dwarves conventional game purchases, by miles. Microtransactions are the big money makers because people are suckers.

    Quite frankly, lots of microtransactions exist precisely because the game is not fun to play, so you buy the right to skip it. Think about it.

    I mean, take a game such as BallisticNG. It has DLC, you buy the DLC, and as a result you get to play MORE game - the DLCs come with extra tracks, extra challenges, extra ships. You buy the DLC because you like the base game and want more of it.

    BallisticNG is the sort of game in which you unlock new tracks, challenges and ships by achieving success on the available game modes. It is not grinding for points, it is achieving victories. Simplifying, If you want to unlock the next set of challenges you have to beat the current ones.

    Now, they could sell you a nice MTX that unlocked everything for a modic price, but what would be the point? Buying the game for 15 bucks, then paying 5 more in order to skip all of it? Nonsense! You get your gamepad and beat the game because the game is fun, period, and you get some ship as a reward when you beat all of the precision runs because then you can show it to friends or whatever. And the prize ship is bad as heck, but it does not matter, because you didn't beat the runs for it anyway.

    When do you pay in order to skip the game? When the game is borying. You invest into a game then pay so you can skip segments of a game. What that tells me is the game sucks balls. And the problem is every f2p and mobile game does that sort of thing. I don't think playing those games is a healthy dynamic.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Sunday, October 12, 2025 11:08:27
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Nightfox to Accession on Sun Oct 12 2025 01:38 am

    It still seems to me like Steam is mainly a mechanism to buy games.. I'm not sure it does much (if any) obfuscation to prevent you from running them directly.

    Nightfox

    Steam is a runtime dependency for a lot of games, specially many which support achievements, leader boards and multiplayer play. The games use Steam provided services for those, which is the reason many games that have both a Steam version and non-Steam versions distribute the non-Steam version as a pertially functional copy.

    For example, the Gog release for Redout has no online multiplayer support so they had to add a bunch of extras and lower the price so they could sell it and not be lynched.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Sunday, October 12, 2025 09:28:01
    I don't see how. ;) They are everywhere. They are specifically ads for
    phone apps so maybe you are tuning them out. I see them here, on TV and during YT videos, about as often as the celebrity endorsements of those two "Royal" phone video games.

    Where is "here"? Also, I have a paid YouTube subscription right now, so I don't see YouTube ads.. Also I don't use streaming services a whole lot; also
    haven't noticed ads for them on broadcast TV.

    Kentucky, but during network programming.

    I don't stream at all. They are on broadcast & cable TV pretty regular. Like I said, you are probably tuning them out or think they are for something else and not realizing it.

    Or maybe they are somehow illegal in your area.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Accession on Sunday, October 12, 2025 11:32:34
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Sun Oct 12 2025 08:12 am

    I just ran one of my Steam games by directly running its .exe (after
    clicking Manage > Browse Local Files).

    With Steam still running, I'm guessing.

    It still seems to me like Steam is mainly a mechanism to buy games.. I'm
    not sure it does much (if any) obfuscation to prevent you from running them
    directly.

    Can you can shut down Steam (not even running in the background), and still run the game without it re-launching, or requiring Steam (or whatever other launcher/app the game is originally tied to) to be running?

    I just tried this with Resident Evil 4. Shut down steam, ran "re4.exe", Steam opened, and asked if I would allow Valve to access my computer.. and now Steam is again running in my background.

    I just tried exiting Steam and running a Steam game, and Steam started up again (in my case, I tried one of the Jackbox Party Packs). So it seems Steam does need to be running to play their games.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Sunday, October 12, 2025 14:23:52
    Re: Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Oct 12 2025 11:04 am

    Quite frankly, lots of microtransactions exist precisely because
    the game is not fun to play, so you buy the right to skip it. Think
    about it.

    I mean, take a game such as BallisticNG. It has DLC, you buy the DLC,

    well i think a lot of regular games have just cosmetic things now.
    they learned that paying help you in the game hurts the game overall.

    now mobile games, i believe don't follow that.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Sunday, October 12, 2025 20:32:55
    Re: Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: MRO to Arelor on Sun Oct 12 2025 02:23 pm

    well i think a lot of regular games have just cosmetic things now.
    they learned that paying help you in the game hurts the game overall.

    now mobile games, i believe don't follow that.

    If free-to-play games respect their users, microtransactions tend to be about cosmetics, but there are lots of them who sell you everything else.

    I think gacha games tend to be the worst offenders. Do you want to play an ARPG with a given character? The only way to do it is to unlock the character by winning it in a lottery! Buy some tickets, see if you get the character you want to play. Most likely you get a shitty character instead but don't worry, you can keep buying tickets.

    Browser games tend to be very lame in this regard. They have lots of timed events you have to beat in order to win prizes. They deliberatedly make it so you won't have time enough to beat the event playing normally. You need to buy bonuses so you have a chance at beating the event and unlocking that awesome prize horse.


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