Re: What's Your Go-to OS for
By: Accession to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 16 2025 08:28 pm

I thought it's main focus was 'Debian without systemd', as in it still uses sysvinit.. but I could be wrong.

Its main focus is to offer a non-init dependant distribution, and as such they intend to support any init system that is viable.

Currently they have a number of targets with varying grades of support. I think most people uses sysvinit.

As a result, Devuan tends to attract people who does not like to deal with systemd, so it has a reputation as the non-systemd distribution.


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Re: What's Your Go-to OS for
By: Accession to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Feb 17 2025 07:18 am

I'm not sure what "all-free" means these days, to be honest. I thought Debian went "all-free" a long time ago, getting rid of proprietary software and drivers and instead using free open-source stuff. That was a while ago, though, so maybe things have changed.. or the definition of "all-free" doesn't mean what I think it does any more. :)

Typical "all-free" don't have binary blobs or unidentifiable data streams in the kernel code. Most Linux distributions do pack kernels with some opaque components. All-free distributions do away with those, and typically also make it harder to download support software with questionable licensing models -such as firmware for hardware support and the like.

Debian does noc really count as an all-free solution because the install media comes qith some proprietary firmware and does not packa cleansed kernel as far as I know.


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I could swear Debian went completely open source/free like almost a decade ago
or more. Either you had to enable some sort of 'non-free' repository or go out
and get the stuff yourself. I'm guessing Ubuntu followed suit very soon after,
if not immediately.

They did, but they still maintain the official, non-free respositories.
IIRC, those are not enabled by default but are very-easily enabled by
adding them to your apt sources.


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Re: What's Your Go-to OS for
By: Arelor to Accession on Tue Feb 18 2025 08:52 am

but that's honestly the only reason Linux has gained (albeit not very much) the traction it has over the years. Otherwise, people would still *only* be using Linux as servers, to this day.

I would argue that the windowzification of Linux distributions is a recent trend.

When I talk about Windowzification, I am not talking about ease of use - I'd argue Windows itself is not an easy-to-use OS besides its unsommurnable software support. When I talk about Windowzification I talk about tight integration of new components with principles that are MS stuff but were rarely seen in Linux.

This would be things like binary registries, non-text based syslogd-like services, and encapsulated programs that are deployed from integrated stores with such a huge impact that they use up a whole privilege subsystem in the kernel to work.

my problem with linux is not the OSes, it's development done on programs that i use with linux. some of these guys are screwballs, still developing older versions of things while also newer versions are coming out. that's chaos.

I'm not a fan of a gui in linux; i prefer cli.

Regarding windows, i think that's pretty damn easy to run despite the fact that they keep hiding things away in the UI.
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Re: What's Your Go-to OS for
By: MRO to Arelor on Tue Feb 18 2025 01:54 pm

I'm not a fan of a gui in linux; i prefer cli.

I've considered switching to primarly using Linux on my PC at home rather than Windows, and for that, a GUI would be beneficial.

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Hey Nightfox!

On Tue, Feb 18 2025 00:43:24 -0600, you wrote:

I seem to remember seeing that with Linux Mint (which I've been using
at home). And Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu. I wanted to install the official Nvidia graphics driver and had to enable proprietary repos
in order to do that.

Yeah, I think most Linux distrobutions are like that now, especially since the free drivers are actually somewhat usable now (they weren't for a long time).

Regards,
Nick

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Hey Arelor!

On Tue, Feb 18 2025 14:52:16 -0600, you wrote:

I would argue that the windowzification of Linux distributions is a
recent trend.

I can see that. However, they've had the mindset and goal of that trend for quite some time, now.

Regards,
Nick

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Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

I'm not a fan of a gui in linux; i prefer cli.

I've considered switching to primarly using Linux on my PC at home
rather than Windows, and for that, a GUI would be beneficial.

Absolutely. I use ONLY Linux, and use a GUI for many things. I am also
quite "fluent" at a command line, and use that for a LOT of things.
They both have their purposes and it would be silly to not use both.



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