• New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    From SugarBug@3883@sugar.bug to alt.2600,alt.os.linux.ubuntu,comp.os.linux.misc on Sunday, May 19, 2024 05:13:56
    From Newsgroup: alt.2600

    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux
    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.
    https://desktop.kerahq.com/
    About two dozen super hackers might want to help get things out of alpha and into release.
    "Currently, this is a product of a team of one. It’s me, Mutlu. I started working on this ten years ago. Eight years ago, I made my first appearance. Things happened, and I couldn’t find much time to work or someone to work with. I tried to create a proof-of-concept that was easy to understand and work with. Today, I believe I have finally achieved this, and I hope to extend the team and maybe have enough budget so that I can work on the project full-time. I hope Kera Desktop can go further thanks to the open-source community."
    --
    www.sybershock.com | @firefly@neon.nightbulb.net
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.2600,alt.os.linux.ubuntu,comp.os.linux.misc on Sunday, May 19, 2024 11:44:49
    From Newsgroup: alt.2600

    On 5/19/24 3:13 AM, SugarBug wrote:
    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    https://desktop.kerahq.com/

    About two dozen super hackers might want to help get things out of alpha and into release.

    "Currently, this is a product of a team of one. It’s me, Mutlu. I started working on this ten years ago. Eight years ago, I made my first appearance. Things happened, and I couldn’t find much time to work or someone to work with. I tried to create a proof-of-concept that was easy to understand and work with. Today, I believe I have finally achieved this, and I hope to extend the team and maybe have enough budget so that I can work on the project full-time. I hope Kera Desktop can go further thanks to the open-source community."
    Looks nice. Downloaded, untarred, ldconfigged etc. This is just a data point for you.
    Slackware 14.2 on 13-YO GOOD hardware. Tried to start it in its own subdirectory. Got this message:
    bb:/stuff/Kera>Kera-Desktop
    Kera-Desktop: symbol lookup error: /stuff/Kera/lib/libnw.so: undefined
    symbol: gbm_bo_get_modifier
    Flailed for a while and then deleted the whole thing.
    Good luck with the project.
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "If you put the government in charge of the desert, there would
    be a sand shortage within ten years." -- M. Friedman (?)
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.2600,alt.os.linux.ubuntu,comp.os.linux.misc on Sunday, May 19, 2024 19:49:48
    From Newsgroup: alt.2600

    On 5/19/2024 2:44 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 5/19/24 3:13 AM, SugarBug wrote:
    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    https://desktop.kerahq.com/

    About two dozen super hackers might want to help get things out of alpha and into release.

    "Currently, this is a product of a team of one. It’s me, Mutlu. I started working on this ten years ago. Eight years ago, I made my first appearance. Things happened, and I couldn’t find much time to work or someone to work with. I tried to create a proof-of-concept that was easy to understand and work with. Today, I believe I have finally achieved this, and I hope to extend the team and maybe have enough budget so that I can work on the project full-time. I hope Kera Desktop can go further thanks to the open-source community."

    Looks nice.  Downloaded, untarred, ldconfigged etc.  This is just a data point for you.

    Slackware 14.2 on 13-YO GOOD hardware.  Tried to start it in its own subdirectory.  Got this message:

    bb:/stuff/Kera>Kera-Desktop
    Kera-Desktop: symbol lookup error: /stuff/Kera/lib/libnw.so: undefined symbol: gbm_bo_get_modifier

    Flailed for a while and then deleted the whole thing.

    Good luck with the project.


    The first hit in Google for that symbol is here:

    puppeteer/puppeteer

    https://github.com/puppeteer/puppeteer/issues/9669

    "...reinstalling libgbm can solve this problem"

    [generic buffer management API]

    And you're on Slack, and maybe this kit wasn't aligned
    with a Slack lineup.

    Generally, when launching something, it helps to announce
    what distro name and distro version it was tested under.
    Then, if a person wants to get an initial build that
    is "guaranteed to work", we know the success recipe.

    Pictures of the desktop, are in-line here, once you scroll
    down a bit. You don't need to build anything to look at it.

    https://gitlab.com/kerahq/Kera-Desktop

    "Mostly web technologies. Kera Desktop is written in
    vanilla javascript and does not rely on third-party frameworks
    but uses some independent libraries."

    "Does Kera Desktop only support web apps? [Progressive Web Apps or PWA]
    For now, yes. Support for Linux apps is perfectly possible and
    on the roadmap. For other platforms, we will see what's possible."

    ??? Making a smartphone out of a Linux desktop ? Um...
    I think that's been done already.

    And Google has a package so you can install ChromeOS on your PC right now.
    I guess somebody likes the ChromeOS.

    Paul
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  • From Borax Man@rotflol2@hotmail.com to alt.2600,alt.os.linux.ubuntu,comp.os.linux.misc on Monday, May 20, 2024 11:06:51
    From Newsgroup: alt.2600

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    On 2024-05-19, SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> wrote:
    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    https://desktop.kerahq.com/

    About two dozen super hackers might want to help get things out of alpha and into release.

    "Currently, this is a product of a team of one. It’s me, Mutlu. I started working on this ten years ago. Eight years ago, I made my first appearance. Things happened, and I couldn’t find much time to work or someone to work with. I tried to create a proof-of-concept that was easy to understand and work with. Today, I believe I have finally achieved this, and I hope to extend the team and maybe have enough budget so that I can work on the project full-time. I hope Kera Desktop can go further thanks to the open-source community."



    It looks interesting, I like the ideas in it. A lot of this can be
    done, albeit with more difficulty, in FVWM which is what I use. I am
    looking for a potential replacement when X11 is disposed of, this
    might be worth close examination.


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  • From Gordinator@gordinator@gordinator.org to alt.2600,alt.os.linux.ubuntu,comp.os.linux.misc on Monday, May 20, 2024 19:38:53
    From Newsgroup: alt.2600

    On 19/05/2024 11:13, SugarBug wrote:
    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    https://desktop.kerahq.com/

    About two dozen super hackers might want to help get things out of alpha and into release.

    "Currently, this is a product of a team of one. It’s me, Mutlu. I started working on this ten years ago. Eight years ago, I made my first appearance. Things happened, and I couldn’t find much time to work or someone to work with. I tried to create a proof-of-concept that was easy to understand and work with. Today, I believe I have finally achieved this, and I hope to extend the team and maybe have enough budget so that I can work on the project full-time. I hope Kera Desktop can go further thanks to the open-source community."



    Does look cool, but I use a tiling window manager, so it doesn't really interest me.

    PS: Please, please, please, wrap your text around 72 characters. It
    helps people who use consoles a lot, and it's generally good netiquette.
    Your newsreader should have this setting.
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  • From georgemoody@georgemoody@envs.net to alt.2600,alt.os.linux.ubuntu,comp.os.linux.misc on Tuesday, May 21, 2024 19:51:09
    From Newsgroup: alt.2600

    On Sun, 19 May 2024 05:13:56 -0500
    SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> wrote:
    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with
    interesting features.

    https://desktop.kerahq.com/

    About two dozen super hackers might want to help get things out of
    alpha and into release.

    "Currently, this is a product of a team of one. It’s me, Mutlu. I
    started working on this ten years ago. Eight years ago, I made my
    first appearance. Things happened, and I couldn’t find much time to
    work or someone to work with. I tried to create a proof-of-concept
    that was easy to understand and work with. Today, I believe I have
    finally achieved this, and I hope to extend the team and maybe have
    enough budget so that I can work on the project full-time. I hope
    Kera Desktop can go further thanks to the open-source community."


    the big buttons make it feel more like something designed for
    touchscreens, which i certainly don't mind, it's about time GNOME got
    some competition in that field.
    --
    With Regards and Passes,
    GeorgeMoody
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  • From candycanearter07@candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid to alt.2600,alt.os.linux.ubuntu,comp.os.linux.misc on Friday, May 24, 2024 00:25:04
    From Newsgroup: alt.2600

    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote at 18:44 this Sunday (GMT):
    On 5/19/24 3:13 AM, SugarBug wrote:
    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    https://desktop.kerahq.com/

    About two dozen super hackers might want to help get things out of alpha and into release.

    "Currently, this is a product of a team of one. It’s me, Mutlu. I started working on this ten years ago. Eight years ago, I made my first appearance. Things happened, and I couldn’t find much time to work or someone to work with. I tried to create a proof-of-concept that was easy to understand and work with. Today, I believe I have finally achieved this, and I hope to extend the team and maybe have enough budget so that I can work on the project full-time. I hope Kera Desktop can go further thanks to the open-source community."

    Looks nice. Downloaded, untarred, ldconfigged etc. This is just a data point for you.

    Slackware 14.2 on 13-YO GOOD hardware. Tried to start it in its own subdirectory. Got this message:

    bb:/stuff/Kera>Kera-Desktop
    Kera-Desktop: symbol lookup error: /stuff/Kera/lib/libnw.so: undefined symbol: gbm_bo_get_modifier

    Flailed for a while and then deleted the whole thing.

    Good luck with the project.


    Normally, I'd love cutting edge stuff, but I recently nuked my
    EndeavourOS install by accident, so I'm staying away from that stuff for
    now.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.2600,alt.os.linux.ubuntu,comp.os.linux.misc on Friday, May 24, 2024 05:40:30
    From Newsgroup: alt.2600

    On Fri, 24 May 2024 00:25:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

    Normally, I'd love cutting edge stuff, but I recently nuked my
    EndeavourOS install by accident, so I'm staying away from that stuff for
    now.

    Do you keep a separate OS partition? My recommendation is to have a second
    one for trying alternative distros. Less chance of a) breaking your user files, b) breaking the previous known-good OS.
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  • From Rich@rich@example.invalid to alt.2600,alt.os.linux.ubuntu,comp.os.linux.misc on Friday, May 24, 2024 16:10:44
    From Newsgroup: alt.2600

    In comp.os.linux.misc Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 24 May 2024 00:25:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

    Normally, I'd love cutting edge stuff, but I recently nuked my
    EndeavourOS install by accident, so I'm staying away from that stuff
    for now.

    Do you keep a separate OS partition? My recommendation is to have a
    second one for trying alternative distros. Less chance of a)
    breaking your user files, b) breaking the previous known-good OS.

    Another way to try out alternative distros without risk of nuking your
    main system is to install VirtualBox, then try out the alternative
    distros by installing them into VirtualBox VM's. One can install as
    many distros as one's free disk space allows, can run as many at the
    same time as the available RAM allows on the host, and VB provides
    snapshots and rollback capability for the VM's so one can further
    experiment with a given distro knowing one can rollback to a last known
    good state to try something again that broke itself this time, within a
    given distro
    .

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  • From candycanearter07@candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid to alt.2600,alt.os.linux.ubuntu,comp.os.linux.misc on Friday, May 24, 2024 17:40:07
    From Newsgroup: alt.2600

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 05:40 this Friday (GMT):
    On Fri, 24 May 2024 00:25:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

    Normally, I'd love cutting edge stuff, but I recently nuked my
    EndeavourOS install by accident, so I'm staying away from that stuff for
    now.

    Do you keep a separate OS partition? My recommendation is to have a second one for trying alternative distros. Less chance of a) breaking your user files, b) breaking the previous known-good OS.


    Yeah, I keep a separate home partition so I didn't lose anything super
    super important (plus I keep backups)..
    I'm currently running Debian tho, just to be safe.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
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  • From Borax Man@rotflol2@hotmail.com to alt.2600,alt.os.linux.ubuntu,comp.os.linux.misc on Sunday, May 26, 2024 06:32:01
    From Newsgroup: alt.2600

    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
    On 2024-05-19, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On 5/19/2024 2:44 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 5/19/24 3:13 AM, SugarBug wrote:
    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    https://desktop.kerahq.com/

    About two dozen super hackers might want to help get things out of alpha and into release.

    "Currently, this is a product of a team of one. It’s me, Mutlu. I started working on this ten years ago. Eight years ago, I made my first appearance. Things happened, and I couldn’t find much time to work or someone to work with. I tried to create a proof-of-concept that was easy to understand and work with. Today, I believe I have finally achieved this, and I hope to extend the team and maybe have enough budget so that I can work on the project full-time. I hope Kera Desktop can go further thanks to the open-source community."

    Looks nice.  Downloaded, untarred, ldconfigged etc.  This is just a data point for you.

    Slackware 14.2 on 13-YO GOOD hardware.  Tried to start it in its own subdirectory.  Got this message:

    bb:/stuff/Kera>Kera-Desktop
    Kera-Desktop: symbol lookup error: /stuff/Kera/lib/libnw.so: undefined symbol: gbm_bo_get_modifier

    Flailed for a while and then deleted the whole thing.

    Good luck with the project.


    The first hit in Google for that symbol is here:

    puppeteer/puppeteer

    https://github.com/puppeteer/puppeteer/issues/9669

    "...reinstalling libgbm can solve this problem"

    [generic buffer management API]

    And you're on Slack, and maybe this kit wasn't aligned
    with a Slack lineup.

    Generally, when launching something, it helps to announce
    what distro name and distro version it was tested under.
    Then, if a person wants to get an initial build that
    is "guaranteed to work", we know the success recipe.

    Pictures of the desktop, are in-line here, once you scroll
    down a bit. You don't need to build anything to look at it.

    https://gitlab.com/kerahq/Kera-Desktop

    "Mostly web technologies. Kera Desktop is written in
    vanilla javascript and does not rely on third-party frameworks
    but uses some independent libraries."

    "Does Kera Desktop only support web apps? [Progressive Web Apps or PWA]
    For now, yes. Support for Linux apps is perfectly possible and
    on the roadmap. For other platforms, we will see what's possible."

    ??? Making a smartphone out of a Linux desktop ? Um...
    I think that's been done already.

    And Google has a package so you can install ChromeOS on your PC right now.
    I guess somebody likes the ChromeOS.

    Paul

    A Desktop Environment based on Web Technologies? I don't like to
    criticise others peoples hard work, but for me, this is a trend I
    cannot support at all. The move to web based everything is a problem,
    and this is a step in the wrong direction.

    No, just no.
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  • From Anssi Saari@anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi to alt.2600,alt.os.linux.ubuntu,comp.os.linux.misc on Tuesday, May 28, 2024 14:04:14
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    SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> writes:

    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    I gave it a quick try. I like the launcher bar on the left but these
    days I only use search now to launch apps in any kind of "desktop"
    environment. The search on Kera can be starts from typing, as long as
    the desktop has focus. So same difference compared to button press +
    type.

    I'm not really a fan of embedding apps in a bar. A quick peek at a
    calendar works like that but does anything else? Weather maybe.

    Oh yes, very little seems to actually work in this alpha build so not
    much point in running it. Seems like the videos on the site pretty much
    cover all that's implemented.
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  • From root@NoEMail@home.org to alt.2600,alt.os.linux.ubuntu,comp.os.linux.misc on Tuesday, May 28, 2024 22:16:41
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    Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote:

    Oh yes, very little seems to actually work in this alpha build so not
    much point in running it. Seems like the videos on the site pretty much
    cover all that's implemented.

    As I remember the OP was asking for help on the project.
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  • From Borax Man@rotflol2@hotmail.com to alt.2600,alt.os.linux.ubuntu,comp.os.linux.misc on Wednesday, May 29, 2024 10:32:41
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    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
    On 2024-05-28, Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote:
    SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> writes:

    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    I gave it a quick try. I like the launcher bar on the left but these
    days I only use search now to launch apps in any kind of "desktop" environment. The search on Kera can be starts from typing, as long as
    the desktop has focus. So same difference compared to button press +
    type.

    I'm not really a fan of embedding apps in a bar. A quick peek at a
    calendar works like that but does anything else? Weather maybe.

    Oh yes, very little seems to actually work in this alpha build so not
    much point in running it. Seems like the videos on the site pretty much
    cover all that's implemented.

    I quite like embedded small apps. I use FVWM, and run some AfterStep
    and WindowMaker dockapps, small programs that run in a panel. They
    were great, but their 64x64 size is a bit of an issue on a laptop with
    a high resolution screen. FVWM can swallow X apps, which I think is a
    great feature.
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